Caitlin Quinn - NSCA’s Coaching Podcast, Season 7 Episode 2

In this episode, we catch up with 2014 NSCA Assistant College Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year, Caitlin Quinn, about her current position at Toyota Racing. Quinn shares her path from working for over a decade in collegiate athletics at Florida State University to taking a leap into unfamiliar territory in National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR) with NSCA Coaching and Sport Science Program Manager, Eric McMahon. Learn about her needs analysis for working with youth developmental drivers, as well as physiological, behavioral, and nutritional factors that impact racing performance. This episode shares an alternative view on strength and conditioning culture and the expectations that we place on ourselves as coaches. Quinn opens up about creating harmony between professional and personal lives, as well as seeking out the best environment to continue development as strength and conditioning professionals.  
 
You can connect with Caitlin on Instagram: @thequinn.44 | Find Eric on Instagram: @ericmcmahoncscs or Twitter: @ericmcmahoncscs

“I think understanding your athlete and what motivates them, what drives them, what do they get excited about is really important in designing a program that they can execute successfully no matter what your goal is.” 14:45

“I think probably year seven or eight, I realized holy moly, there's a huge benefit to having stayed somewhere so long if you continue to try to grow.” 18:47

“Part of that was being really eyes open, committed to taking care of me a little bit better so that I could take care of everybody that I was coaching I'm working with.” 21:00

“Can we do both those things together, where we're creating strong work ethic in people, but also making them feel empowered, authentic human beings that can take care of themselves also.” 21:17

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[00:00:04.30] Welcome to the NSCA Coaching Podcast season seven episode two.

[00:00:11.51] So I think understanding your athlete and what motivates them, what drives them, what do they get excited about is really important in designing a program that they can execute successfully no matter what your goal is.

[00:00:26.47] This is the NSCA's Coaching Podcast where we talk to strength and conditioning coaches about what you really need to know but probably didn't learn in school. There's strength and conditioning, and then there's everything else.

[00:00:37.39] This is the NSCA Coaching Podcast, and I'm Eric McMahon. Today, we're joined by Caitlin Quinn. She is the director of the Performance Center and senior sports science analyst for Toyota Racing Development. Previously, she was the 2014 NSCA assistant strength and conditioning coach of the year. We're excited to have her back on the podcast. Caitlin, welcome.

[00:01:01.88] Thank you. It's good to be back.

[00:01:03.86] Yeah, you were on with Scott in a previous season. But we wanted to have you back on, just got to catch up with you at the NSCA Coaches Conference. You were a speaker, and you were talking about your role at Toyota. So wanted to bring you on the podcast to share some of those highlights and just teach us a little bit about your current role.

[00:01:27.01] Sounds good, let's do it.

[00:01:29.05] Yeah, so you're at Toyota now. This is a environment working in auto racing, working with a racing development team that, I don't know a lot of strength and conditioning coaches in that area. How did you find that role? And tell us a little bit about it.

[00:01:47.54] Yeah, it is very bizarre. I was looking for a job kind of in this moment of living at home with my parents going, I might never work again. It's funny how that happens. Reached back out to my network, and they're like, OK, CQ, I got this. I was in Tallahassee for 10 years at Florida State. So I have friends that became family there. My family's in Massachusetts. And Dr. Margaret Jones, who was one of my professors at Springfield was like, hey, I got a job in North Carolina, but I don't know what it's for.

[00:02:18.71] I was like oh great that's halfway at least I could explore it. Turned out it was for NASCAR, and I go, this is either going to be really cool or really weird. And I met my they're my boss's boss now, but they were my supervisors when we started. And just they were amazing people who Toyota is definitely on this mission to do right by humans and then also make profit and win races. And that's all part of it, right? But they really seem to do it in a way that I could get behind.

[00:02:51.09] So I just took the leap, moved with my two bags and no contract and one way ticket, crossed my fingers. And here we are.

[00:02:59.12] That's so cool tell us a little bit about the clientele you work with. What are the ages of the athletes you're working with? What are their backgrounds? What's their lifestyle like? Is it different than the college environment that you worked in?

[00:03:14.56] Yeah, so it's I joke to people that say, I run a small high school because essentially, that's what it ends up looking like. We have a 14-year-old, a handful of 16-year-olds. The majority of them are somewhere between 18 to 21. And then we'll have some of the older guys and gals, it's older guys, but most of our gals are younger are upper 20s, low 30s. Some of the more established guys will come in and pop in and utilize some of our resources of which we have quite a bit now.

[00:03:48.97] But yeah, these kids, they start racing from the time they're five in go karts. They don't go to school because they travel all the time. So they've homeschooled or gotten help to homeschool from either a parent or someone else, tutors. And so they kind of don't have that social piece that we learn problem solving, communication, relationship building from the school part of it. And then they get thrown into this industry where sponsorship drives the whole thing.

[00:04:17.26] So you have to be likeable and someone that they can sell and that a sponsor wants to get behind and a team wants to get behind to invest in. The driver is such a small piece of winning a race. But it is the piece that can really be the difference between winning and not winning. I mean, at the top level, at the Cup Series, there's lots of teams that have really fast cars out there that are built really well and have a lot of math and engineering that goes into it. And then so the driver becomes the difference.

[00:04:51.62] So we're trying to find and identify talent and develop that talent early so that these kids can grow and realize that dream of being a Cup driver. We started with stock car racing. We have some dirt racing kids. We don't have any open wheel stuff. That would be like your Formula One or your Indy. Toyota doesn't have a presence there. But we have a lot of grassroot series and different things that we do, sports car series and some drag racing guys as well.

[00:05:26.59] As you talk about the backgrounds, what's the culture like around strength and conditioning? Do these athletes grow up knowing that they ultimately need to condition their bodies? Or is this a harder sell in the role you have?

[00:05:43.42] It's funny. It seems to be less and less of a really hard sell as we go on. When I first started, gosh, was it five years ago now? It's wild. It was here's six kids in a storage unit. Get them to want to work out. And I went, OK, we can do that. And now, we have 30 something on our local roster. And every year, the new batch of drivers that we get in, they kind of just meld right into the culture that we've built.

[00:06:13.63] The beauty of building a culture from scratch is that you really can shape it the way you want it to go. The hard part is you have to do it little by little. So the ones that were around in the beginning are like this is dumb. I never had to schedule stuff or be on time or whatever, you know what I mean? Stuff you're clawing for in the beginning that then becomes second nature once guys and gals enter an established culture. So I don't know. It's been an evolution for sure, and we continue to evolve.

[00:06:46.66] One thing you touched on working at Toyota, the heavy emphasis on engineering, math, data, obviously that is a culture that exists within the auto industry. Do you carry that at all into your work with the athletes? What's sports science look like with your population?

[00:07:10.27] Yeah, so motor sports is so data driven, and that's what these kids no lap times. And all that's the easiest one to kind of wrap your head around, right? But there's a lot that goes into that. I mean, I remember learning about how they set up the car in the simulator and then the pull down rig and all these different things. And I'm like, this is wild how much goes into that.

[00:07:34.24] I think we try to take the guesswork out where we use the data is we want to take the guesswork out of developing these drivers, which I think most strength conditioning coaches want to do. I think what has been a little bit different for us is that, again, creating a program from scratch means that there's no playbook. You're writing the playbook as you go, so we had to first identify what are the areas where we can really influence and create some positive change?

[00:08:04.76] And it's not like I can get in a stock car and be like, all right, let me see what this feels like. That's just not, they don't practice. I mean, they practice but not the way traditional coaches think of practicing. If they don't get out there during the week, and then practice and then go race, they get a couple of times when they're in a new series at a track, at a test. And then it's like, all right, go figure it out.

[00:08:24.40] The simulator just doesn't, it simulates the track conditions and maybe some of the movement of the car when they're in those conditions, but it doesn't simulate the heat, and it doesn't simulate the stress. So those are honestly the first place that we started was looking at heat and how that's affecting the driver. And then the nice part about being part of a huge organization in a sport where $100,000 is a drop in the bucket. Most strength training coaches would be like I would kill to have $100,000 to spend.

[00:09:01.48] Because we can spend that money to get things like a metabolic cart. And then we'll do a metabolic efficiency test and then have a clear picture of how much carbohydrate they need going into a race. We have an in-bodies. We can test their muscle mass and their fat mass and then further dial in those prescriptions. I think that was super necessary because of the population that we have where there is no background in having coaches and teams and discipline in that way. Routine, scheduling stuff is really challenging for them.

[00:09:35.63] So habit change was hard enough. [LAUGH] Have change with when you're-- I don't want to say guessing because I know coaches don't want to be like I'm not guessing. I get that. It's just everybody has a certain amount of data that they have to work with. And so the less data that you have, the less information that you have, the more guessing you have to do. And that's just the nature of it.

[00:09:56.29] And they're educated guesses that are informed guesses, but they're still guesses to a point. So we wanted to take as much of that out as we possibly could so to make it more likely that the drivers would buy into the process.

[00:10:10.32] So you talked about how this was sort of like a high school, high school environment. So that paints a picture of the training age that we're looking at. You talked about how the culture of strength and conditioning, well that's growing within the sport and with these young athletes, which is consistent with that high school age demographic.

[00:10:35.12] At the Coaches Conference, you spent a lot of time talking about heart rate control, environmental stress or heat conditioning for tolerating the heat and fueling. How do you address those because you mentioned that there's not a lot of training time, practice time for these racers in simulators that mimics exactly what happens. How do you, for example, deal with fueling in the context of a race? What are some of the areas that you've integrated on that front?

[00:11:14.22] Yeah, so we do comprehensive at this point. It is pretty comprehensive heart rate tracking. In the beginning talking about building culture from scratch, it's like please wear the dang device in the car. And they're like, oh, I forgot. So I'm like, fine, I'm going to start showing up to races. And then we start showing those races, and it's funny how they can remember when they're looking at you, and you're going put the watch on and get in the car.

[00:11:35.16] Yeah, so we have a picture of what a race looks like from our race standpoint. We have a picture of what a race looks like from a temperature standpoint. And then we also know their body mass. And with the metabolic cart, we know the amount what percentage of that heart rate do they kind of change over to using primarily carbohydrate, and how much carbohydrate. So we'll take all of those pieces and start saying, here's what you need for carbohydrate to get through this race.

[00:12:02.27] Also, tracks or different. Durations of races are different. Series are different. So based on the information that we have, we'll set a prescription, since your body can only store a certain amount of carbo. Where do we need to supplement? If you're reacting badly to that, we'll do a continuous glucose monitoring and see what's the reaction to the carbohydrate. So we have all the heart rate. We have a picture of what the race looks like. And then we will train to try to dial in those skills.

[00:12:31.46] And we've done a ton of research. Stephanie Fernandez, who's our full time dietician she's unreal. And especially, she can walk into a research situation, she'll sit in front of a computer and just go down this rabbit hole for hours. It's funny. We were making the presentation for the conference. She'd be like, this is how I equate it. We're sitting next to each other in our little office set up. We had our big monitors, and we're going through the presentation.

[00:12:54.05] And I'm like, OK you work on this, I'll work on this. And we sit down and start working on stuff. And I look up, and I'm like, dude, what is happening? You haven't done anything. And she's like off in some research rabbit hole. And I'm like, girl come back here. But like when you need that, it's super helpful. So we've learned a ton about fuel and heart rate and heat and stress and how it, what the picture that it paints for what they need and what we can influence.

[00:13:20.92] Yeah, it's something that's a little in strength and conditioning. And this theme comes up on the podcast quite a bit is we talk about strength conditioning, but we emphasize the area of strength a lot. And now, you're in an environment where you have to go back on maybe some of those exercise biz classes and get some more of the aerobic elements of conditioning that pulls you back some of the more clinical elements and working with a dietitian who, that is a largely clinical profession before they get into sport.

[00:13:59.66] And so it's interesting to hear that. And one thing I really valued that you've done, and you also had another session at the conference. You were doing yoga, mobility training, and you take a little bit more holistic approach. What I want to ask is, what advice do you have for coaches? Maybe they're in the college environment or professional sports to diversify your skill set beyond just the weight room.

[00:14:28.43] Yeah, I think a couple of things come to mind when you're talking through this. One is that the best program is the one that people will do. So it might not be the best program on paper. But if they're not going to do it, you're not getting any adaptation from said program that you've created. So I think understanding your athlete and what motivates them, what drives them, what do they get excited about is really important in designing a program that they can execute successfully no matter what your goal is.

[00:15:01.82] I think as a coach, I've always, I think when I first started at Florida State. I didn't I realize that I could just be myself. And I had I talk all the time about Coach John Jost, who was my boss then, just really pushing me to be more authentic. And this is authentically me as a person who cares deeply about other people, who is very in tune with their emotional states and stress.

[00:15:33.10] And so I'm like, how do I harness that thing that I'm good at and that I'm interested in to make my coaching and my programming better? So delving into the autonomic nervous system, and I mean, I became a yoga teacher as for me. Because I needed to be able to slow down and focus on my own happiness and what did I want to do and how do I get my life to a place where it feels good to get up and go to work every day and do the things you want to do and make time for yourself.

[00:16:07.50] And then realize like oh my gosh, all this stuff I'm learning here, I want to share. And that's me. I'm a teacher, coach. My whole family's teachers and coaches. It's just anytime I learn something that I think is beneficial, I want to scream it from the rooftops. So that's why there's a lot of it integrated because it's authentically me, and I do think it's really beneficial.

[00:16:28.27] I love that, and it makes me want to dig into your transition from college to this. Because this is something, making a switch. You were at Florida State for 10 years. And everyone listening in knows that that's really impressive. When you can stay at an institution in this field for a decade, I mean, it really speaks to the work you're doing, the value you add, the ability to connect with different coaches, different teams.

[00:17:03.09] Because we know how much turnover there is in this business and the sports staffs that we work with, especially at a high power program like Florida State. How do you prepare yourself as a professional in making a jump out of really, what you all as a professional? You're a college strength and conditioning coach. And then you're making the switch to a really, an untapped environment working in and around NASCAR.

[00:17:32.41] I don't know if you were a big NASCAR fan growing up. But so you had to learn the sport. You had to learn what it's like working for an auto manufacturer. That's totally different than working at a university. Talk about career transitions just what you experienced. I love how you pour out some of the personal sentiment when you share this. And I think it's something that's really valuable for our listeners.

[00:18:02.96] There's so many good points. Don't let me forget where I'm going. I want to talk about the--

[00:18:07.42] I got you, I'm here for you.

[00:18:08.85] But part of it is I was at Florida State for 10 years because I was afraid. And I had this fraud syndrome thing going on that I think so many coaches have of I'm not good enough. I don't know what I'm doing. I can't go be ahead anything, anywhere. And I love the spin about me being at Florida State for 10 years because I'm just an incredible strength coach, and was so you know what I mean? But I think the hard reality of that is I was comfortable, and I was afraid.

[00:18:43.54] And it didn't mean that I didn't dig in there and really try to be a great strength coach. And I think probably year seven or eight, I realized holy moly, there's a huge benefit to having stayed somewhere so long if you continue to try to grow. Because all the players, the politics of the school, the way it functions, you can kind of you've earned trust with administration, especially if they've been there for a while.

[00:19:09.95] So there's a lot of positives. I don't want to say that I didn't grow while I was there because I did. But I think it's important to understand that it wasn't my plan, and I wasn't chasing the next best thing because I was afraid, which has pros and cons. So then I turned, I was there from 22 to 32. Can I go, I have no personal life. I would like to buy a house. So I bought a house in the last two years that I was there and moved away from campus.

[00:19:38.51] And I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I should see if I want to have a personal life. And I had hit the ceiling at Florida State. I worked as the interim director. I applied for the head job. I did not get the head job. They put me on the hiring committee to hire. Alise Deangeles, who's still there and is a phenomenal strength coach. So it was crazy because I applied for this job, and that was on her hiring committee.

[00:20:03.06] And I just, I think I had grown as much as I could grow there, and I knew that. And I said, what do I want next? And I've never paid any attention to do I want a family? Do I want to see what that looks like? I didn't even know. I had my head down literally for 10 years. So I started dating. I moved to Oklahoma with the guy that I was dating at the time. And it's just, it was a perfect storm of not the right fit, right?

[00:20:31.13] I am an East Coast person through and through, and it just, it wasn't me, and I wasn't-- I learned a lot about myself. So when I took, I went home to Massachusetts and lived with my parents and reached back out to my network. When I found this job, I had a lot of piecing Caitlin back together to do, which is how I found yoga and why I did teacher training. And part of that was being really eyes open, committed to taking care of me a little bit better so that I could take care of everybody that I was coaching I'm working with.

[00:21:08.34] And I am the luckiest strike coach on the planet in that I have worked for the best people in the business. I mean, like I said, my John Jost, absolutely incredible. Dan Schaefer, who took over at Florida State, when he left is still a very dear friend. Alise Deangeles, the short time that we're together, absolutely tremendous, and my boss is now, same way, they care about people. And fast forward to I have two strength coaches that work for me, and I'm overseeing the department that we have here.

[00:21:37.63] And I finally felt brave enough to move into that next role of being an oversight and being the one in charge. And it just kind of, you change and evolve if you're in an environment that allows you to change and evolve.

[00:21:50.22] No, that's great. And I took a lot from that first around the importance of building your confidence as a coach. I think there's a lot. You can always say you were there 10 years. You must be doing something well. And I think we all do that. There's a lot of value in recognizing what we're doing well. But we also know how it feels on a daily basis. And maybe there was more in the tank for you. It's elsewhere. And it took stepping away to uncover that.

[00:22:28.83] And so the other thing I heard in there was recognizing the time and really taking a risk and stepping away from all you know in the profession. That's hard to do. And I think the third thing that I heard was there's clarity in change. You took a step out of your comfort zone. You found yourself not very comfortable. And then you found kind of the balance where in an environment where you can thrive and build a program, and it brought you back to maybe that aspiring leadership that you were afraid of at first.

[00:23:15.49] But it really took that jump of getting outside your comfort zone, leaving Florida State. I mean that's crazy to think about. When you get that job, how excited were you? And then years later, you're fighting yourself to leave a challenging situation more on the personal front. But I think that is, that's powerful. We don't talk about that a lot in coaching. These are hard professions. This isn't the only hard profession.

[00:23:44.89] I think COVID taught us that we all have a lot in common around work life balance. And for our young coaches listening in, I definitely don't have all those answers for you. I know you don't, Caitlin. We're all sort of working through this together. That's one thing I love about conferences is we build that community of people to connect with. I know coaches that are married. I know coaches that aren't married, coaches with kids, coaches that never want to have kids.

[00:24:19.21] And all of those are valid points. And I think it's something that we can share those perspectives and grow beyond the weight room. We talk about that all the time. But maybe we don't put the label on it to say how it connects with us a little bit deeper, a little bit more holistic, a little bit more meaningful on the personal front. So that connected to me. You had me there. I like it.

[00:24:46.37] I think it's hard because I think I'm hoping that it's getting better in 2023 from some of the lessons we learned over the last three years. But I think some of the cultures out there surrounding athletics in general are not great. I mean, I think the way we treat people when they start working the way we treat athletes sometimes, this like you're lucky to be here. Put your head down. Do what you're told. But then I struggle because when you don't do that, sometimes people don't learn how to work.

[00:25:16.05] So it's like can we do both those things together where we're creating strong work ethic in people but also making them feel empowered, authentic human beings that can take care of themselves also. And then the other thing when that you were speaking that brought up for me was what are we modeling, especially as someone who has a staff of coaches? I mean, if you're there 15 hours, and you never go home.

[00:25:42.03] And let's say you have family at home or you don't have family at home, either way, what you're modeling is that it's not OK to take time for yourself. And I am now a firm believer that if you don't take care of you, you cannot take care of anyone else. And it sounds selfish. And I know everybody's gut reaction because of the way we were trained is like that's selfish. You're not working hard enough, whatever.

[00:26:04.44] And I think I get that feeling in that way that resonates and that comes up. But there is a balance that is important. And I think the last thing is whatever you're looking for, you're going to find. So if you go to work in the morning, and you are looking for people being lazy and things that are negative and stuff that's not going right, then that's what you're going to find, which in problem solving, maybe that's a good thing to be a detective.

[00:26:28.50] But if you go in the weight room, and you look for coaches that are making really big strides that they've connected with athletes that they couldn't connect with before, that they put something in their program that maybe they didn't know how to do a month ago, then you're going to find that. You're going to celebrate those moments. And I think looking for the good when you go to work every day is going to deeply impact your own experience in your job as well.

[00:26:50.74] So just be aware. And if you have a job where you're going in, and you're looking for bad every day, that maybe that is not a good job for you. And then do what you need to do to make the change.

[00:27:01.84] Yeah, I think there is a growing culture of coaches being open to other areas of the field. But I look at it more of strength and conditioning coaches, strength conditioning professionals, sports science professionals, however you want to call it. We have a big skill set. We have a lot of things we can provide. And one thing that is great to see in our field is people like yourself are advancing through the different stages in getting into leadership roles where we can influence culture for the people that work for us or work with us.

[00:27:49.20] And I think one thing that your environment speaks to is you're working outside the box. This is a different environment than you probably ever aspired to work in. It's different than most strength and conditioning environments. And so you're able to take from that and share that. You do that at our conferences. You do that on this podcast. A little different perspective than we hear all the time, and I think it's refreshing to see that.

[00:28:15.98] But where all of that sentiment comes from is not just in the weight room. And I think that's a theme that we can take away here is that be open minded for all you young coaches listening in, be open minded to your goal now or the logo you might be chasing now. And we don't like to say we're doing that, but it's pretty cool when you get hired by a Florida State or by a big championship team at the professional level. Those things are super cool.

[00:28:54.47] This is a really fun profession to be in because of all that. But it doesn't downplay the value of other areas of the profession, maybe some niche areas of the field that really just haven't been uncovered yet. And that could be you. That could be that, yeah, you got me fired up, Caitlin. I like it.

[00:29:18.97] That's too funny. But truly, this is the thing. This is happening, and we're having this discussion because I can only be good at the things that I'm good at, right? I can't be somebody that I'm not. I can't be a yeller and slap you on the chest when you're about to do your bench press. I'm not being me. But what I can do is be really curious about what is stress? How does it manifest? Wow, this thing really, yoga is 5,000 years old, and they knew things about the human body that we know from them having been researched.

[00:29:54.16] They had this stuff figured out then, so that got me all fired up. I'm like, dude how does this mold into the physiology that I know with this thing that I'm learning and putting them, I mean, and that's all that is to say it's like it's follow your interests. I have young female strength coaches. All my friends will be like I have this young female strength coach, so can I put her in contact with you. Because apparently, dudes can't give a girl, I don't know. So I go, yeah, sure.

[00:30:19.55] And I feel bad because I'm always information overload, but I try to kind of tell this cautionary tale of I have the skill sets that I have from spending the time that I did with my head down working. I know how to work. No one one's going to outwork me. But I wish that I had picked my head up just a little bit sooner so I would have had a little bit more time to make some life decisions that I ended up having.

[00:30:50.50] And I don't believe in regret. I think it's a useless emotion, truly. But I just really want young strength coaches to follow the path of what they're passionate about. And it doesn't mean that what you're doing right now isn't valuable. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't put in the work and take everything you can. I think I learned more waitressing than I did as far as how to work your work ethic.

[00:31:13.12] I'm not a waitress. I'm not using that specific skill, but I'm using all the things and the challenges that came up doing it. So what you're doing is worth it. But follow kind of your interests and your passion. Because that's going to lead you where you want to go.

[00:31:26.98] Yeah, that's great and I think that's something we can end this on, just a lot of great takeaways. I think it's really cool what you're doing, really impressive. I remember the first time you spoke at an NSCA conference years ago when I was just an attendee. And just to see it come full circle to just how powerful that session was talking about what you're doing now at this recent coaches conference, I think it's really great. So Caitlin, how can listeners get in touch with you if they have questions. And I'm sure they do.

[00:32:04.24] I think Instagram. I don't have Twitter, so Instagram it's thequinn, Q-U-I-N-N.44. Give me a little DM. I feel so cool when I say things like that. I'm really old and not that cool. Yeah, I. Think that's probably the easiest way. And yeah, we'll connect from there. And then once I know that someone's not trying to sell me something, then we can exchange phone numbers and go from there. But I think that's probably the easiest way.

[00:32:31.32] This was really fun. Thanks for coming on one more time and it's always great catching up. Everyone listening, and we hope there was some great takeaways for you. We appreciate you. Our listeners make this podcast impactful. I think one of the greatest things that I get to do in this role is travel around and meet coaches. And more often than not, coaches are saying, hey, we really like this episode of the podcast, or this really jumped out to me.

[00:33:00.69] And that always feels good for me, but I think it speaks to just how inquisitive and how hungry our profession is to grow and advance. We talked about some of those themes on the episode today. So thank you. Also special thanks to Sorinex exercise equipment, a sponsor for this podcast. We appreciate their support.

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